But there was no in-house, full-time veterinarians in most zoos. So for starters, there weren’t many zoo vets. I think at that time there was 46, 48, something like that in all the zoos in all the country. And then women, there were very few. I think maybe I can think of one or two women veterinarians at that time that were in zoos. Now of course there are a tremendous number, and that’s great. But back then, no, and when I became zoo director, that was fun too. Because when I became a zoo director, and I was a young zoo director, I was 34 when I became the director of the Pittsburgh Zoo.