I mean, the the professionals who are really kind of zoo people are really a very dedicated bunch of people. I say especially the technical staff, the zoologists, the veterinarians, the botanists of horticulturalists and some of the exhibit designers. I think those kind of like people that they really love the profession. You can see it when you mix with them in conferences or you go and visit them. And there’s a huge camaraderie I found anyway. I mean, I tell a story of when I was director of Singapore Zoo 40 years ago, a security guard came to my office and said that I have two Germans who are outside and they wanna see you, it’s EAZA show. And they came into my office and they were both curators at Leipzig Zoo. Can’t remember one of them, but one of them was Jörg.
