Series of questions. Tell us about him and his management style. Dr. Ong was a autocratic, He was a GP, a general practitioner, so he was doctor of medicine. I was gonna say he had his medical practice, but he was far more interested in public service. And so he was chairman of the Public Utilities Board, then became chairman of the zoo. He set up the zoo. He always wanted to set up a zoo. As a boy scout, he went to a jamboree in Sydney, visited Taronga Zoo, visited the shark pool in the Taronga Zoo.