Roy Shay. Gave me freehand, pretty much. Oh, one step back. Topeka. A zookeeper. Gary Clarke was a master PR person, but also had the real firm grasp on the public and animals and animal care person, because of his experience. So he pretty much laid out how an American zoo functions in terms of public and animal collection. So then to Roy Shay, who gave me pretty much a freehand.
