I’d say in the 5 to 10 years before I retired and even in the five or so years since I have retired, the biggest complaint that I hear from other directors is, “Oh my God, my mammal curator, my bird curator, or my director of animal collections is retiring or has taken a job. Where am I going to find somebody to replace him or her?” And you can see and hear the terror in their eyes because it’s so difficult to find somebody. And, you know, part of it, I had a curator who I always felt would have been an excellent zoo director.