And, you know, a lot of the privatization efforts started. Zoos started following the model of the Wildlife Conservation Society, a large society in San Diego, and shifted from public management to private nonprofit management. That changed skillsets for zoo directors incredibly, and, you know, we became, although I did not go through that, I know my colleagues who did and who succeeded became great communicators, great fundraisers. May or may not have had all the skills that, let’s call them the old school folks had with their knowledge of animals. But they ran great zoos because they were great leaders.
