So I immersed myself in the construction. And I loved it. I just loved it. And that had a profound impact on me. It was, hey, you could dream of something, and then it gets built. There it is, you did it, you know. I had a lot of help, but I did it. So, that was around the time that Jones and Jones, the Seattle architecture firm, did the incredible first major immersive exhibits at Washington Park Zoo in Seattle, Woodland Park Zoo, excuse me, Woodland Park Zoo in Seattle.