I think, how he did, but now I have to jump back, after Saul left when he had Phil Arnold. And once again, Phil, nice guy, new business, you know, was not a zoo guy, not an animal guy, a placeholder, who wanted to be zoo director. It’d be interesting to see, how it would’ve worked out if he got the position. I think so many problems today with zoo directors are many of them are not zoo directors, they’re directors, they’re managers, they’re financial people. They’re PR people, they’re fundraising people. They’re not animal people. And I like to use as an example, I think Doug Meyer, who is the director of San Diego, he’s not an animal guy, but he’s surrounded by a great animal staff. And you know, I can’t speak from experience saying, how many animal management decisions that he actually makes.
