And whether you disagreed with him, it’s not that I’m would just sit and call him out and say something, but if something was to be done, that I didn’t agree with, strongly agree with, I would let him know. I think that’s very important with any institution. He was the only director that I was able to do that with, you know, ever after Saul’s gone. That relationship that I had with any director was never the same. And let me just say, I’m gonna jump, skip one director for a moment, David Anderson, when David Anderson was hired, he was given the option to hire his own assistant director. An with him, he brought David Robinett, who, David previously was the general curator at the Audubon park zoo, I don’t remember. And David Robinett was the curator of mammals. I believe initially they had kind of the same relationship that Saul and I had amongst them, that did change though, unfortunately, I think for the animal collection, but it did, he had the luck of being able to comfortably talk to David.
