Yes, I was able to start going to national conferences after a couple years later, as the staff increased with the SEEDA work, it was a blessing to me and a downfall to me, but it allowed me to start going to national conferences and it became, certainly for years it became a ritual that I was doing two conferences a year. I would do a regional and, and the national enjoyed it immensely, once again, it’s a matter of networking with people, hearing papers, to seeing stuff, seeing zoos. I mean, I wanted to see as many zoos as I could too, in a national national or regional, and more often with the regional, we’d be driving to them. So maybe able to see some other zoos on the way there and back nationals, depending where they were on block find. And that may be limited, important to my personal growth and the institution I was working for growth because I would be learning stuff. So seeing zoos was giving you new ideas. Absolutely. I mean, it was everything, how zoos were exhibiting the animals, how they were managing animals, what they were doing, some stuff, what stuff worked, what didn’t, I mean, you’d see, I remember there was a conference at San Diego.
