And Heine, I forget the guy’s name, but I know it, ’cause he actually was involved in the, one of the panda things going in Brookfield long time ago, back, way back. Heine, I forget his name, but he was the one that had them, or was selling them anyway. And even though there were an age, the Species Act was enacted. And I met with her on numerous occasions. It’s one of the first things I did, was go down to Stanford and see it, see what’s going on. And I saw that it was, the way she was the dealing with it Was very, very badly done. And she was trying to, you know, tell people, “Oh yeah, this animal, she, you know, says this and says that.” And it was like, I know you know what I’m talking about. Don Hunt, there was a guy that used to do an act with a chimpanzee, and the chimp used to go over, get him, pick up things and bring it to him.
