Then you take them out, and they’re sure to be a breeder. And that’s really what happened. That was mostly my research actually, with that way. But he came on and observed them, and he stayed there at night. I let him sleep outside in the zoo, because he observed them all the time. Talking about science, before you became director, the former director authorized a very controversial study with a gorilla named Koko, and it became a documentary and so forth.
