That’s just, that’s the way San Francisco is, honestly. And I remember, and I didn’t hear from them for quite a while. And then I remember it was one of the, there was a zoo conference and, it was in, I forget where it was. May have been in Canada, I’m not sure. But there was a zoo conference and I was there, and you know, I get a phone call from Jack Spring who was the, had been the zoo director. But he was the, he now became the general manager of recreational park department. And he was a terrific guy, he became my boss, but he was excellent man. I mean, he really was good, a wonderful guy.
