Well George Irving yes, George Irving was there, but there were two curator positions though. And George Irving was still one curator. Yeah was one, was one of a sort. I mean, George had been there for many, many years and he, really George truthfully was a timekeeper. Basically, he fulfilled that function. That’s no light matter, I mean, you know, but that’s, he had been there so many years as a, and George was more of a, I mean he was a bird expert, and that, you know, complemented me because I wasn’t honestly, and he, as I say he basically, he really didn’t have that much to do, and really didn’t want to have that much to do with animals anymore because he had done it for 30, you know, how many years? I don’t know. I don’t remember how many but a long time. And so I was there as the animal, basically the animal curator.
