And you know it was, it was a big place, and it was a nice farm, you know, big, giant farm, big collection of hoof stock, big, you know, West Northern hoof stock. You know, muskox, caribou, different kinds of caribou, woods bison, and you know, lots of things like that. But he wanted to build, according to him, he wanted to build a thing for gorillas, and he wanted in his own dreams, (chuckling) he wanted to build a facility for pandas. ‘Cause he had some dream that, and it might have been semi realistic, of getting pandas outta China. Because he was Canadian and he wasn’t American. He had some relations already with China, had been there. So he had those semi realistic dreams, anyway. And it sure, it looked like to me to be an adventure, you know, of a place to go, maybe not for the rest of your life, but to go there and you would really get some terrific experience and adventure, and it would be a place that was privately run.
