Elephants are social animals, very social animals. They continue to amaze us with what they do. They don’t need tremendous space but they need space and so no one should exhibit them in small yards anymore. We know more than that. Because we want to keep more elephants together. That’s they way they live, heard animal or family animal. And we should have them so they can live like that and until we get there, we’re going to be fighting these battles with the animal rights people and welfare people but be prepared to fight and don’t let them tell you that the animals need miles and miles of track in order to run or be content. What are some of the more dramatic or important changes that you have witnessed in animal management in your career I think probably the thing that has hit me the most was working with the gorillas.