Well Elsie and Conways wife got into talking a lot more about other things than Bill and I did. Sue was a lovely lady, I would love to be able to show her some of what he has written. She doesn’t even have a computer. She never learned to use a computer. And they were wonderful neighbors. They were very private people and we didn’t see a lot of them. Today, there seems to be a complaint from zoo directors that there are too few good curators in the community today. What do you think is the problem and how should curators be trained today to do what is expected of them.