Maybe 20, maybe 15, 20. We know a lot of zoo people who they always were at the conferences and they also always were traveling around the United States to other zoos. And for 20 years, we were there at the park for seven days a week at our own zoo instead of doing that, instead of visiting other parks. So usually we only saw another zoo if it was at a conference that we could afford to attend. Sometimes there were conferences we felt that we couldn’t take the money to go to. I loved the San Diego Zoo and the Wild Animal Park, that was great too.
