Well, the people that were private and the people that were little guys or privately owned facilities or people that just had small collections, some not open to the public, some open to the public, they needed a voice, they needed to be able to communicate together and share information. They also were ostracized from a lot of the big institutions who were accredited by the AAZPA. These small group of people, they wanted standards, they wanted approval, they wanted to meet standards, they wanted approval, but it was difficult for them. Maybe financially difficult for them to pay AAAZPA or AZA dues or they were ignored by or they were not able to get animals from- We were dealing mostly with zoos that had AZA that were working for the government and they were working for city or county and they were funded. But people like- Mickey Olson. Mickey Olson and me, we wanna run our own corporations, we don’t want somebody else tell us how to run it. As long as we’re doing things that are ethical, you can’t take my products and tell me what to do with it, they’re mine, they belong to the corporation. You can’t just arbitrarily have somebody, you gotta send that camel over there to Joe Blow’s place, that didn’t work with me.
