The CEOs of these corporations and such, now this doesn’t apply to every place. Let me say that right off the bat because I would say that it’s some organizations, they probably still have some pretty powerful CEOs on ’em, I know that St Louis does. But what happened was the CEOs said they don’t have time to do this. And so, then the people sat on these boards were individuals who were mainly involved in civic activities. You had people who may not have had any organizational experience whatsoever. And it became more of a desire to not just do policy but to tell you how to do your job. And I’ve watched that happen through the years. I think I encountered some of that too.
