When I- Okay, when I first interviewed for the Oklahoma City Zoo, Warren Thomas was at the same conference. Warren had been director of the Oklahoma City Zoo at one time and a lot of the things that the way the zoo was laid out at that time was the result of the time Warren spent there. So, I said, “You and I need to go walk around the zoo.” I said, “You need to tell me what you did and why you did it,” which he did. He was a great mentor in that way. He said these exhibits were here because of such and such and this water flow this way. And he knew, he remembered everything. And as time went on, he and I would talk almost on a regular basis. He would say, “Well, how’s things going?” and da, da, da, da, da.
