Do you go to any of their meetings and stuff?” Nobody did. And I just basically said to them, “It appears you need them but they don’t need you ’cause they’re still doing their hobbies.” And I just think that AZA made a big mistake when they started cutting them out of the conservation picture, the animal husbandry picture because they are a viable source and sometimes you just have to make exceptions. When you stop and think about all of these collections that are out there and it had been out there and that had been going on for years and you’re gonna ignore them. And that’s exactly what’s happened so I think it’s sad. I think it’s sad. And I don’t know that can ever correct itself.
