We probably traded more with other zoos than animal dealers because as you know many of the mammals in captivity were probably born in captivity. If we were going to work with some exotic species of antelope or something, maybe times you might have to import them. I know but we worked very closely with a lot of institutions and did swaps. And of course and as time went on, they knew more about the genetics of all these different animals and different populations. And so, you knew what was gonna be paired with what your need was. But when it came to birds, I dealt a with a lot of private aviculturists through the years, there were as many private agriculturists. There were hundreds of them. They had waterfowl collections, had parrots collections, who had finch collections.
