And we were writing a lot of the things that was happening. It was all new stuff, certainly reproduction with hummingbirds and reproduction with… The zoo one of the largest waterfowl collections in the world. And so, we were breeding things that hadn’t been bred before and that went not only for waterfowl but like I said, for hummingbirds and a lot of other things. So, that was all new information that no one had done before. So, it was a real pioneering stage of aviculture started about that time. Now, Philadelphia Zoo wasn’t the only one doing it, Bronx Zoo and San Diego Zoo and others had really taken on that direction. In fact, there were, I’m trying to remember, Art Risser was an assistant bird curator under KC Landt and Don Bruning was an assistant curator under Joe Bell at the Bronx Zoo.
