I can’t ever remember having a conversation I didn’t learn something. And particularly, the opportunity to get out one of these big monographs and open it up and say, “Now, Gus, tell me about da, da, da, da, da.” And he could. And so, he was a very interested, interesting person and he taught me a lot about the parameters of professionalism in the zoo business. And particularly, having to do with birds. He knew all the old deans. He knew all the old masters. There wasn’t anything I couldn’t ask that he didn’t have an answer for me. He was amazing.
