I became aware of the job at Philadelphia in the spring. I gotta think. No, it was in the fall of 1969. There was a National Zoo Conference, which I think was Oklahoma City if I remember. And at that time, an announcement was made by Gus Griswold, that he was looking for an assistant curator of birds and if anyone knew of any applicants, just to let him know. Well, I knew Gus and I knew Gus from this Waterfowl Association that Carrie Muller had introduced me to. And Gus was one of the Deans at that time, there were only probably three or four bird curators in zoos in the country. Gus Griswold, Joe Bell, Carl Plath at Brookfield and KC Landt at San Diego.
