But he included the nene, and one of the results of that survey was as he did in an, of as close a census as he could, he determined that there were only 13 of these birds in captivity, in the entire world, all in Hawaii, 11 of which were under one ownership. We had one in the zoo, the 12th one was owned by a rancher on the big island. And the 11 were owned by an (indistinct) wonderful old guy that was a very well to do landowner named Herbert Shipman. Now Herbert owned, Uncle Herbert, we referred to him as, never to his face. His friends, close friends, of which I never became a close friend, but a friend realized that he had this. He had perpetuated a captive flock of these birds from the time that he was a boy. And one of the greatest challenges was, well, the captive birds, 13 total, in the wild, nobody was sure. But in the mountain slopes of 14,000 high, two volcanoes, Mauna Kea and Maona Loa, right on the island of Hawaii, above where Herbert Shipman’s 11 birds are, at sea level, in captivity.
