Cameroon was the second gorilla. Well, the zoos were keen on getting gorillas and they were available at the time, in the ’50s and the ’60s, before the Endangered Species Act made acquiring them more so complicated that they virtually stopped the inboard of them. So we acquired, he was to be the first of the male, to be the first gorilla of a breeding pair that we hoped to get, so we had to begin with him. We got him in 1960 from (indistinct) Pickett who delivered him to us there at the zoo conference. And actually, the interesting thing about the tie in with the Bronx Zoo, Bill Conway, forever and ever the CEO of the Bronx Zoo, and later the Wildlife Conservation Society is its name, was at that conference in 1960. And we happened to have had a loan car. And after the conference was over, we were all going down to San Diego. So we left just at dusk and I was driving, it was a large car, big Sedan, gas guzzler, and Bill Conway sat in the front seat with me, and he held that little Congo in his lap much of the way between Long Beach and San Diego.
