So the first zoo director essentially was not called zoo director in Honolulu. He was a politician and he happened to have been the same age as I was when he started. He was 24, he was a part Hawaiian, a very forceful, effective person named Ben Hollinger. And in those days, he was named the chairman of the parks and recreation, parks and playgrounds they called it, committee. In those days, the political committee chairman, Honolulu was such a small city, were essentially also the administrators. And so he had a deep interest in the zoo. Ships would come through Honolulu with animals, and the key ship that was, he made the most, that was mostly to his advantage, Mark, was an animal dealer that lived in Australia, that collected animals, not only from Australia, but from Africa across Indian ocean. And the guy’s name was Eli Joseph.
