And then he eventually became curator of birds. And so he had zoo experience. Had, I dunno, six, seven years zoo experience. But being a good artist, he decided he would get out of the zoo field. He moved to San Diego and started doing art shows all around the country. Well, he would come to Miami and maybe once every two years. And we would talk about new zoo, and how we would design it if we could. So when the time came to hire a zoo designer, to me he was a natural.
