I started here in 1944, and I had just come from the Buffalo Zoo, Buffalo New York, where I was the curator, but in Buffalo the curator is really the director, or he was in those days, the old English term, and before that I was a curator of reptiles at the St. Louis Zoo, so I’ve spent 43 years working in zoos total, and I was 18 years in the Lincoln Park Zoo, I left here in 1962 to accept the directorship at the zoo in St. Louis where I had first started my zoo work.