Well, with Robert Bean, we had, after I came, the society officially formed a science committee of the board of trustees. And it was usually headed by someone down at the University of Chicago. Emerson first and then some of the chairs of zoology, but also in the biomedical arena. But I tried to get Robert Bean to understand that the future of these institutions was going to relate to knowing more about their animals, knowing more, and not only about say what animal health requirements there were, but also about their behavioral needs and the desire of some of the trustees to put them in more natural circumstances for the public to view. And I remember encouraging him in terms of fostering further development of the institution in this fashion, but Robert Bean had his own, so to speak, mantra. (George chuckles) And among other things, that did not include records of the animals, simple data in terms of the, say, mating of the animals or the results of the rearing of animals, et cetera, nothing of that sort. While the zoo started with big catalogs of the creatures in the collection and where they came from, Robert was adverse. Despite his acquaintance with the Europeans and their systems, et cetera, I mean, he made several trips abroad.
