And she also would go to the AZA meeting every year. She got to know zoo people through meeting Dr. Seal that I mentioned earlier, and Lee Simmons from Omaha, they ask her if she would put up the first challenge grant to establish the zoo computer program, which she put up half of it, or the foundation put up half of it and the US Department of Interior put up the other half of it. So that’s how our zoo computer program for the zoo aquarium association got started.