It was not so much an association thing at that time. As the Zoo Veterinarian Association grew to the point where I think it’s over six or 700 now active veterinarians around not just the US, but mostly North American, but also European, communication became better. And we had more formal papers being presented. We had a journal that put out a quarterly referee journal. And so articles became better known. We also were getting physiological normals down, which Dr. Lysis S Seal and a program that he and Dr. Mackey started back in the ’70s to develop, what’s the normal blood picture of a polar bear of a grizzly bear of a spectacle bear, all of these different things. And so Dr. Seal traveled all over the country and collected blood from various zoo animals, and then they would take it back. He was a VA researcher.
