As far as was she meddlesome, no, she was not meddlesome, but after the zoo was built, she loved to watch a Soap Opera that was on at lunchtime. And so she would have her lunch at home, watch her Soap Opera, and then she’d normally come to the zoo and she’d show up around 1:15 and normally sit when Warren was the director, would sit and chat with him for 15 or 20 minutes. And then sometimes if we had something new baby or something the interest, one of the curators would take her and out on the grounds and then she’d be gone by 2:30 or so. And that was her routine when she was in town. Same thing after I became director, she would come in. She and I became very close friends. She had a lot of respect for Warren Thomas’s ability, but she got very frustrated with him because of his direct activities, how he would pursue projects sometimes without involving the Sam’s Foundation and then later on the zoological board. I never had that rapport with her.
