And Warren got in trouble because he imported four orangutans from Indonesia and did not have the blessing of the Wild Animal Propagation Committee when he did it. And so they called him to go before the board and this was shortly after I’d gone to Brownsville. And so this would’ve been in the fall of 1970 and he didn’t feel like he wanted to appear before the board. So he sent me to represent his situation. And basically all I could give him was the facts. I mean, yes, four animals came in and they were in this physical condition and we did this with them, et cetera. But you can imagine my consternation at the time, because I was a young, so to speak, 29 year old associate director at a smaller zoo. And there I was facing the director of the National Zoo, the director of the Bronx Zoo, the director of the Philadelphia Zoo.
