They were world famous. I mean, Howletts because of the gorillas and we had gorillas. The Frankfurt Zoo, the Cologne Zoo, the Zurich Zoo, these were world famous institutions. And I figured I have the opportunity. So I put together a report, ton of information. But again, that exposure to outside places that are doing things, germinates different ideas in different ways of doing things. I saw exhibits that I modified to Lincoln Park Zoo when we had to do exhibits ’cause I saw how great they were, but I had to adapt them to our particular place. So that international exposure or national exposure, I think is so very important for young, for any curator, zoologist, or director, the more you see.
