They were just saying, which is why I got into videotaping and other things because no one told me, “That’s part of your job.” It was, “I wanted to take that on.” And they said, “Fine, go run with it. That’s fine with us.” So they allowed you to expand and make your job position, although you, certain things you had to do. Sure. So he was, from that standpoint, he was pretty good. And at the time, when this happened, George Irving, I say had retired, and they brought in another guy, Saul Kitchener, who had worked at Omaha Zoo, who later became director of San Francisco Zoo. And Saul became the assistant director. He would then be the first general curator. But then he became assistant director when Gene Hartz left. George Irving, and then when Gene Hartz left, he moved up.
