Well, I knew, I think intuitively that I had to have of education as well as experience here. I was working in the Children’s Zoo in the summer, but I was, I had gone to Southern Illinois University and I gotten my bachelor’s degree, and then I pursued a master’s from Northeastern, Illinois because I just knew to go higher, so to speak, within the profession, you probably had to have a combination of professional experience which was invaluable and academic credentials to be able to do that. So that was my professional experience.
