So that was one of the things that Ron was really creative and challenged me personally in my designs when I became the director, which led to me constantly trying to learn more. One of the first things I did in my early days at Sedgwick County was take the opportunity and go with Marvin Jones and then Ken Kawata came along and ended up doing 26 zoos in Europe in 21 days. You could do two zoos a day because of the train system. And there were things I saw that just blew me away. And I learned that you could take ideas and adapt ’em for climate, even governance, union versus non-union, utilities. While there’s always new things under the things, but they’re built on little developments that most things that we think are new and exciting have been done in some format before. I mean, the zoo profession goes back thousands of years. There’s been some real creativity that some of us didn’t realize until we see more and more places.
