He constantly traveled. He was also head of the membership of WAZO, so we got a lot of international travel too. At that time, it was IUDGZ, but on weekends, you know, Dallas Fort Worth and you had the Lion Country Safari. There was also a commercial aquarium operation up there. Next weekend we’d be hitchhiking down to Brownsville, going over to Houston the weekend. I can remember sleeping on apartments at Jim Murphy, his house or in the parking lot at Fort Worth. I mean, and he made it up to Oklahoma city one time, but it was starting to see other zoos and how things are going and starting to build that network.
