’68, I think it was, 1968, or ’78, 1978 to play rugby. But I got to go to some game safari places to see the game and the animals. And I just fell in love with the animals. And going back to Zimbabwe and sitting there watching elephants 20 feet away from you and leopards walking down the pathway and watching cheetahs and wild dogs hunt is just phenomenal to watch. And it’s scary to think that they’re losing their space, but I like terrestrial animals. I like them just as well as I like the pollinators. You know, I talk about the sixth extinction and how we’re losing animals. I mean, we’re losing the pollinators.
