It was, it was just mainly through meeting colleagues. The management style that I adopted, I didn’t go back to a management school or a management class. And they didn’t have those then. Or if they did, we certainly didn’t send anybody again. Again, I fashioned it a little bit in a sort of a rough model of how I would play sports or coach sports, that you have to understand what you’re doing, you have to explain it well, and you have to execute it well and help each other do it, ’cause if you didn’t, you can’t be a good rugby coach, for instance, if you didn’t play good rugby. But, sometimes, good rugby players made lousy coaches because they couldn’t teach what they knew. They couldn’t make it understandable and understandable to the point where they could, “This is what you do and this is how you do it. And here’s how you’ll get there.” So I used that model all the time, and it worked.
