I can’t think of her last name at the, O’Connor, Patsy O’Connor was the first woman zoo veterinarian at the Staten Island Zoo full-time. And in Cleveland, a guy named Dr. Leonard Goss, who was a pathologist as well as a veterinarian. His father was head of the Department of Pathology at Ohio State Veterinary School. And Len was one of the earliest, I think he started maybe at the Bronx and then went to Cleveland. So you had a just a real, real small number of people that had any experience or training in working with the medical care of wild creatures, it was a challenge.
