So I had a problem to work through with the volunteers, and convinced the bureaucracy that this was important for the operation, and they just had to respect our wanting to move that ahead. And so over the years we developed a solid volunteer Corps of people. I may be, could even go back to day one and say, PG Frederick of the Zoo Society, you might say, was the number one volunteer of her day and era because she just, when she was in town, spent time at that zoo, they had no children, no pets, that lived at the Lake Shore Club on the near north side, and PG was there. And pretty soon other personalities developed with various people coming. And Lincoln Park did not have a meaningful education program, they didn’t have a meaningful scientific program. And whenever I broached those topics to the Park District, they said, “Our mission in Chicago “is strictly the recreation needs “of the citizens of Chicago. “And if you want to do things in education “or recreation or in conservation you’ll have to go out “and raise some money and get some people. So all of that is part of this trend toward volunteerism, where people came and said, “We wanna be involved, we wanna be helpful.” Certainly in fundraising, that area of volunteerism was meaningful.