I originally asked a man named Warren Wirth to perhaps try to document this move, and he’d been with “Zoo Parade” for years, he was an NBC veteran. And he had conflict with time and schedule. And I think he may have been the one that recommended Dugan to us. And so Dugan came into our picture and the timing was pretty tight, it wasn’t that we had a year to think, and plan, and work this out, we were talking about some months. And so fortunately Dugan and his other assistants sound man, camera man, whoever all had, I think maybe two months to do a little bit of historical perspective in the Old Monkey House with some of the apes. And I can’t remember why, but wisely in hindsight, they selected Otto, one of our male zoo gorillas to sort of be the transition point of the whole thing and be the star. And Otto had a character, all the great apes are characters each in their own way, and Otto definitely had a character. Incidentally, he was named after one of Illinois governors, Otto Kerner.
