So I think as I reflect back, these were probably some of the sorta frustrating times working within a large municipal bureaucracy. Again, I mentioned earlier that happily I could run the zoo, as I thought it was important to make it go. And then over a period of time, a major strength of the operation at Lincoln Park was the Friends of the Zoo, the Lincoln Park Zoological Society. They not only raised a few thousand dollars in the early years and bought an animal and that, they became a big time partners in the operation at Lincoln Park Zoo. Their goal was to help the Park District help the Old Zoo, and the Zoo Society stepped up. A woman named June Fairbank was the first executive director there for years, and in the latter years, a woman named Barbara Whitney took over as the executive at the Lincoln Park Zoo Society. And they made my life again much more positive because they started to raise big time dollars. By then I realized that the zoo was out of date, was bad stuff.