You’re drawing a blank. Charlie, anyway, it’ll come to me. But the director of the San Diego Zoo was a veterinarian. And he had been a part-time zoo doctor, and he worked, I think for Pfizer Pharmaceuticals, and ended up being a director there at San Diego. And he became a colleague, and a mentor, and a friend. And of course, Marlin’s sitting down at St. Louis was there, and we were still at that point in time, good friends. So that I got acquainted quickly with people around the country. Len Goss, who I mentioned earlier had been a full-time zoo veterinarian.
