My contacts with the other professionals in the zoo world were, of course, primarily through the meetings. George Rabb and I were solid here in the Chicago area. And eventually George Speidel went out from Brookfield to Milwaukee, and started a whole new wonderful zoo out there in the edge of the county of Milwaukee. And so these were two sorta close neighbors that I interacted with a lot. But over the years, it was really a personal privilege to get to know other zoo people around the country. Bill Conway was at the Bronx Zoo in New York. And as far as I was concerned, was one of the, then younger, more meaningful zoologists in the world. And the man at San Diego, Charles, I can’t recall his last name at the moment who was director at San Diego- You’re drawing a blank.
