Marlin Perkins was a very interesting man for me to get to know, he was certainly a showman in personality. Marlin was a very dapper, well-dressed, very articulate person. He and I hit it off fairly well because he didn’t try to interfere with my medical decisions, he didn’t try to play zoo doctor. And I in turn, didn’t try to interfere with any of his administrative issues as far as handling the personnel that were at the zoo. So somehow as I reflect back, Marlin and I never had a bad word with each other. He would let me know what he thought about certain kinds of animals. And I became a friend of Marlin’s because he was very kind, and he invited me socially to interact with his friends and peers. You have to remember that back in the late 1940s and 50s Chicago was really home to television, that was unlike New York, and Hollywood, and so on.